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2010
Rider Handbook/Rules

Winchester Speedpark
517 Keene Rd
Winchester, NH 03470
603-239-6406
Fx 603-239-9956

Website: www. Winchesterspeedpark.com
e-mail: winchesterspeedpark@msn.com

Information on Hours
Day Events Gates open at 6am - Practice starts at 9am
Gates open 5-10pm for overnighters, night before event
Night Events Gates open at 12pm - Practice starts at 3pm
Overnights welcome following the night events

Rider Sign up info
$60 Annual Membership fee - for first 3 family members then free
(must be spouse or child)
One Day Membership  $10
Gate $10 all riders/adults * under 6 free
Entry $35 per class - class 1 and 2 - $20 3 and more
Mechanics pass – 1 Per Member per year
One Day Mechanic Pass $5
Trackside Transponder Required to Participate
One Day Transponder Rental $10 - Purchase $150
No AMA Requirement
Sign up Upstairs at Sx - at Building Mx
Visa, Mastercard, American Express accepted
Trophies at sign up
Results posted at track, on the Website and periodically sent to Cycle News

Big Rider Program - help for your 1st time racing - at sign up
New racers can have a help from an experienced racer for 1st day
Experienced racers can help new racers learn the ropes and earn a free practice

 You (Rider and/or Parent) are responsible to know All Rules and Info herein

Park Rules

PR-1 -  Wristbands must be put on at the gate (on your Wrist) and be worn at all times while at park
Failure to do so will result in fine equivalent to wristband price and/or removal from park
PR-2 -  Enter at your own Risk
PR-3  - All Rules shall apply to riders, spectators, relatives and friends in attendance, on and off the track

PR-4  - No Drugs or alcohol
PR- 5  - No roping off areas

PR – 6 - No Riding in the pits
PR – 7  - No pit bikes /vehicles used to get around the park (registered or otherwise)
PR – 8 -  No Open campfires - Covered Chimneas are allowed - must be 16" off ground
PR – 9  - No Fireworks allowed – If caught you or your rider will be disqualified and/or removed from the Park
PR – 10  -  Pets must be on leash at all times and MUST be brought to outer limits and/or wooded areas to be relived.  Loud, uncontrollable or aggressive pets are not allowed

PR – 11 -  No bicycles allowed during the event - Once practice starts Bikes Away for The Day Bicycles allowed in park before and after event with helmet - Parents/guardians are responsible for their child's safety/conduct and or any damages incurred.  Kids are asked not to create dangerous jumps or holes on the property, ride recklessly or leave bikes in drive/pathways.  Violations will result in the loss of bike privileges.

PR – 12 - Quiet time (bikes, music, Generator etc.) 11pm – 6am
PR – 13- Be Courteous to your neighbor

PR – 14 - No Oil changes

PR – 15 - No leaving Tires or Oil - A $100 fine WILL be imposed - A $50 "finders fee" given to anyone who leads us to offenders

PR – 16 – Sealed 5 gallon (or under) Gas containers only- Nothing larger allowed by permit
PR – 17 - No dumping of RV Fluid (any offense is a lifetime ban!)

PR – 18 – Vendors must remove their own trash

PR – 19 – No sitting or standing on or leaning your bikes on the fences
PR – 20 – No destruction of Property (any offense is a lifetime ban)

PR – 21 – Be Courteous to the townsfolk who host this track

 

Track Rules

T -  1 -  Enter and Ride at your own Risk
T -  2 - 1 Practice Per rider
T – 3 – If after practice you feel that the track is unsafe, you may get a refund

T – 4 – You must be a rider, staff member or Mechanic to enter the starting area
T – 5– Mechanics must have mechanics pass or badge and enter at their own risk.  Mechanic must be 18 years old. Mechanics must leave the starting grid immediately after your rider has nodded readiness to the starter upon starter check.   Mechanics must remain in designated areas. Failure to follow mechanic rules will result in disqualification of your rider and/or loss of mechanic privileges
T – 6 – No one allowed in front of gate (rider or mechanic)

T - 7 - No Smoking in the Stage/Start area
T - 8 - No Fueling in the Stage/Start area

T –9 – Start – Upon starter check each rider will have the opportunity to acknowledge readiness – starter will point to you, nod if ready – If a rider is not able to start he/she or their mechanic may raise their hand signaling the need for 2 minutes – the starter will continue to check all of the riders then the 2 minute board will be raised and the gate will drop in 2 minutes – If the rider is ready prior to the 2 minutes, the rider can signal for the 30 second board.
T – 10 –30 Second Board – starting gate to drop approximately 5-30 sec – When turned, starting gate dropped anytime

T 11 – Yellow Flag Rule – Under a yellow caution flag you must remain behind the bike that entered the area prior to you – there is no jumping or passing under yellow
Passing under the yellow = Loss of 2 Positions in Finish placement
Jumping under the yellow - Minimum loss of 3 positions up to Disqualification - determined by severity
T – 12 - Black Flag Rule – Disqualification – Exit the track – report to referee/office
T – 13 –Red Flag Rule – Race stopped – report to gate to Re-start
T – 14 –Finish Flag – Checkered black and white – Race is over, 1^st gear after thrown – always race to the checkered flag, once thrown to the winner, he or she and all those to follow are to exit the track, the race is completed when the last racer crosses the finish line
T – 15 - Lap Board – The 1 or 2 Lap board is a courtesy to the racer and indicates the planned amount of laps to go till the checkered flag – It should be used as a guideline – always race to the checkered flag
T – 16 – Failure to follow flag or track rules will result in a loss of a position, lap or disqualification for the moto or day – this depends on the severity of the incident and is left to The Head referee’s discretion
T – 17 - Penalties in practice may result in loss of laps during moto/heat

T – 18 – Any rider caught intentionally cutting the track will be downed a lap

T - 18A - If a rider veers off course and re-enters to gain a position, that rider must correct their placement or will be penalized by the referee to correct the unfair gain.

T – 19 –No Poor Sportsmanship – this includes rider’s, their family, friends and spectators – Threats, aggression, Swearing, fighting and/or intentional dirty riding may result in disqualification, suspension or revocation of membership

T – 20 – Parents who yell, swear, hit, abuse or shame their kids will be asked to leave the Park

T – 21 - Outside Assistance – No one but Authorized WSP Staff and racers are allowed on the track during a race/event – Unauthorized Outside assistance will cause the rider to be disqualified

T – 22 –Unauthorized Entry –Unsafe Panicked reactions -  No one but Authorized WSP Staff and racers are allowed on the track during a race/event – Any Unauthorized person crossing the fence into the track will cause their rider (or the rider they entered track for) to be disqualified for the Moto or day.  The person may also be asked to exit the park.  If a rider is injured and you need/wish to enter the track to attend that rider, you must have either permission from or be escorted by a WSP Staff member.  Only trained staff and medical personnel are allowed to attend downed riders.  We will make every effort to connect any injured riders with friends/family when it is safe and time to do so.
T – 23 – Protests - Any protests must be given to authorized WSP Staff Members at sign up/office.  All Protests must be signed, detailed in your own words in writing and accompanied by $100 cash which will only be refunded if proven correct.  All protests are and can be made public.  Infraction protests must be within one half hour of the incident/race.  Protests on racers riding in improper classes/levels must be accompanied by proof and can be made during any series event.
T - 24 - We do not give refunds due to weather.
T – 25 – The referee and or track owners reserve the right to make additional safety and conduct judgment and rulings. Any interpretation or deviation of these rules is left to the discretion of those officials. Their decision is final

 

Championship Classes

2010 WSP Series

50cc 4-6 / 50cc 7-8 / 50cc Open / 65 C 7-9 / 65 C 10-11 / 65 B 7-11
 65 A 7-11 / 65 Open 12 and Under / 85 C 7-11
85 C 12-15 / 85 B 7-15 / 85 A 7-15 / Jr Mini 7-11 / Super Mini 12-16
Youth C 18 & Under / Youth A & B 18 & Under
250 Lites C / 250 Lites B / 250 Lites – A 100% Payback
450 Mx C / 450 Mx B / 450 Mx A 100% Payback / Open C 125-250+cc
Open B 125-250+cc / Open A 125-250+cc 75% payback / 30 C / 30 B
30 A 50% payback / 40 C / 40 B / 40 A 50% Payback / Girls * / Women*
*Not by age, by bike size see B9, must choose one or the other (may be combined)
Mx & Lites A class– Track pays back 100%  top 3rd of class gets paid back
 

2010 - 50 Open (all 50 bikes allowed)
 

Rider  Requirements

 

R – 1 - Rider must have health Ins and/or be covered under Parent or guardian's health insurance plan if under 18 to race or practice, WSP does not provide Health Insurance
R – 2  - All minors must be accompanied by a parent or guardian to race or practice, absolutely no drop offs.  If a parent or guardian cannot be present they must appoint a guardian for their minor in order for them to participate. To do this, we require a notarized letter (for one or all of the events) naming a familiar responsible adult to care for their child while at Winchester Speedpark which will allow them to make all necessary medical decisions for the parents and the minor if needed. Form online or at sign up
R – 3 – Sign up – Riders must be personally present to sign up/sign into an event – If under 18 a parent/guardian must be present and able to provide proof of identity if asked
R – 4 - All riders must ride in proper class A – B – C and ride in the highest classification/level you have held or hold in any organization or events past or present – If you knowingly compete in a lower classification/level than you belong in, a disqualification will occur and any points or awards received while in the wrong classification/level will be stripped.
No matter the name -
If you race in a first level elsewhere - you race in the first level at WSP = C
If you race in a second level elsewhere - you race in the second level at WSP = B
If you race in the highest level elsewhere - you race in the highest level at WSP = A

R – 5 – Riding Levels - Upon entering competition
C is the first level
B is after C
A is after B
A is the Highest Level

R – 6 - One day riders – A one day riding pass may be purchased at WSP Events for $10 – No Championship points are awarded to one day riders.  A one day rider may join WSP for the season by the end of the event day and apply their $10 one day fee toward the membership fee - One day riders are to put an X after their number.
R – 7 - A rider must be signed up before their heat goes off to participate in Supercross events
R – 8  -Age requirements – Your age as of Jan 1^st of that race season determines your racing age for the year.  A rider may move to a higher age class during the year if he/she becomes eligible to do so but once moved up cannot go back

R – 9– Vet Classes 2010 season
If you were born in 1980 or earlier you are eligible to compete in the 30+ classes 
If you were born in 1970 or earlier you are eligible to compete in the 40+ classes

R – 10 – Helmet - Must fit properly (tightly) and ALWAYS be fastened fully while on track
R – 11 - Goggles – Goggles must be worn at the start of the race and are recommended during the race 
R – 12 – Race Gear needed - Gloves -  Motocross Boots - Race Pants with knee pads -  Long sleeve shirt should have # on back if worn without chest protector – 125+ classes – Jerseys must have wrist length sleeves and may not be rolled up
R – 13 -Chest protector required for 50/60/80/125 Youth classes, should have # on it
R-13A - Recommended equipment -  Leatt Brace (neck brace), elbow pads, knee braces, DOT and Snell approved helmets as well as other approved and tested safety equipment used to help protect and safeguard yourself

R – 14 - Transponders – Transponders are a state of the art scoring device that electronically records the exact moment that a racer crosses the finish line and in what order they finish.  The technology allows racers to have the most up to date and accurate scoring method available today.  Spectators/announcers can view the unofficial results on display in real time without the confusion of riders competing in different laps.  A Trackside scoring transponder is required by every rider to participate in WSP Series Events.  They are available to purchase at the track for $150.   Transponders are available to rent for $10 a day with at deposit of $50 or a credit card may be retained and returned upon the end of the transponder rental day.  Riders are responsible for charging and mounting their transponder on their bike for every race.  Failure to charge and mount your scoring device properly may result in improper scoring. (as you will not be detected on the course)   1st Offense we will attempt to score you within the race IF reported to us within 30 min.  Repeat negligence will result in a DNS or Disqualification for that race.
R – 15 –– Every rider will receive a badge for their mechanic for the season with their membership – (your mechanic must be 18 – see track rules)  If you lose or forget your mechanic badge a temporary band may be purchased for $5.  A replacement badge is $10
R – 16 – No molded casts allowed on any part of the racers bodies during competition

R – 17 - Riders with mismatched numbers on gear or bike may not be scored

 R – 18 – Improper Gear/ numbers -  If you come to the line without proper gear or race numbers, you can be disqualified and/or will be asked to exit until requirements are met - This includes X's on One Day rider bikes (see R-6)
R-18A - ALL number/bike changes MUST be made at the office - at the office you will be given a slip with your changed race number/bike to be handed to the gate referee when he calls the original race number listed on the gate choice to line you up for your class -  Changes will not be accepted at the gate
R – 19 – We reserve the right to remove dangerous riders from the course
R – 20 – We reserve the right to deem a rider unable to compete due to riding a bike too large or too small for the racer to ride safely

R – 21- Classes may be combined – A rider may get a refund if they are uncomfortable with the change in schedule or if they feel it is unsafe to compete with the combined class

R – 22 – A Rider must complete 50% of the race and cross the finish line for the checkered flag to be scored. 50cc riders will not receive DNF

R- 23 - Results - official Race results are posted on the Results board.  Trackside Transponder display does not include any Penalties and changes that may occur during the race.  Any changes/penalties will be imported to the final results posted.  Results are final 30 minutes after posted.  We reserve the right to make corrections due to human or computer errors.
R – 24 – It is the rider’s responsibility to be sure that the rider and bike information is correct as  posted on the results for scoring, contingency or mailing purposes.  It is the rider’s responsibility to check/monitor their race results and report any scoring errors, this should be verified by the rider 30min after competition.  Entry errors on bike brands or results cannot change for that event, after that event day is closed. 

R - 25 - Cheating (allowing another rider to race as you) will result in disqualification and/or permanent suspension.


 

Bike Requirements

B – 1 - No broken levers
B -2 -  No kickstands

B -3 - No lights (must be taped)
B – 4 – No Broken Plastic
B – 5 – Exhaust -  Must be complete.  No loud exhaust allowed
B – 5A Sound levels to match AMA 99dbs at 20 inches – Checks will be performed
B – 6 – Hand guards attached to the end of the handlebars are prohibited

B – 7 – Bike Number Plates – Failure of members/racers to use proper plate designation may result in loss of lap, improper scoring and/or disqualification

B – 8- If your bike is or becomes a hazard to you or the other riders during a race you will be black flagged
B - 9 - You must have your Trackside Transponder properly charged and mounted on your bike

B- 10- Bike Sizes/Classes - All Bikes are considered modified.

All 50cc Bikes are eligible to compete in the 50 4-6 and 50 7-8 and 50 Open classes (must remain stock bore)
65cc Classes - 65cc 2 Stroke - 65cc to 90cc 4 Stroke
85cc Classes – 85cc 2 Stroke - 85cc to150cc 4 Stroke - No Big Wheels allowed in 85 classes
Jr Mini/Supermini Classes – 85cc to 112cc 2 Stroke  - 85cc to 150cc 4 Stroke  - Big Wheels allowed
Youth Classes - 85cc(Big wheel) to 144cc 2 Stroke  - 150cc(Big wheel) to 250cc 4 Stroke 
Youth Minimum wheel 19 front 16 Rear
250 Lites – 125cc to 250cc 2 Stroke - 250cc 4 Stroke
450 MX –125cc+ 2 Stroke - 250cc+ 4 Stroke
Girls - 85cc to 112cc 2 Stroke  - 85cc to 150cc 4 Stroke  - Big Wheels allowed
Girl’s Min wheel size 17 front - 14 rear  - Max wheel size 19 front - 16 rear
Women's -  125cc to 250cc 2 Stroke - 250cc 4 Stroke
Women’s Wheel size 21 front - 19 rear

50cc 4-6 Black background w/ white #'s
50cc 7-8 White background w/ black #'s
C - Black background w/ white #'s
B - Yellow background w/ black #'s
A - White background w/ black #'s
*AMA National 125 Experts may use Black backgrounds w/ white #'s

 Promotional Points

Points are assigned to riders as follows to move up the racing levels for fair competition

 Riders      1ST         2ND        3RD       4TH      5TH
 3-5            1                 0              0           0          0
 6-8            2                 1              0           0          0
 9-11          3                 2              1           0          0
12-14         4                 3              2           1          0
15+            5                 4              3           2          1

P – 1 - Promotional points are assigned to competing racers to advance them from C to B and B to A.  Once a racer goes over the total points needed to advance, they must race in the higher level at the next WSP event unless they are eligible to freeze (see P-9).  A  racer is considered a B once they:  1. point out of the C class and then 2. race in the B; or 1. gain permission from WSP to advance and then 2. race in the B.  A  racer is considered an A once they: 1. point out of the B class and then 2. race in the A; or 1. gain permission from WSP to advance and then 2. race in the A.  Once a rider has ridden in the highest class, he/she cannot go back. (see R-4) Points reset to zero once a rider moves up a classification/level

P – 2 – Promotional points for 65, 85 and 125 Youth C classes

C to B = 30 Points in any one class
B to A = 50 Points in any one class

P – 3 – Promotional Points for all 125, 250+ Classes (excluding 125 Youth C)

C to B = 30 points total in all classes combined
B to A = 90 points total in all classes combined
Non Promotional Classes: 50’s, 65 Open, Jr Mini/Supermini, 125 Youth A&B, Women-Girls
P – 4 - Must ride proper bike size in designated class- See B-9
P – 5 - Supercross Scoring - 1st race is heat - for gate position, 2nd race is Main and Overall Finish.  Championship
points are awarded for both Heat and Main.

P – 6 - Motocross Scoring - 1st race is Moto 1 and 2nd race is Moto 2 - Both motos are combined for Overall Finish.  Championship points are awarded for both Moto 1 and Moto 2.

P - 7 - Championship Points - Awarded for Heat and Main for Sx and both Moto 1 and 2 for Mx

1st - 25 points      6th - 15 points      11th -  10 points     16th - 5 points
2nd -22 points      7th - 14 points      12th - 9 points       17th - 4 points
3rd - 20 points      8th - 13 points     13th - 8 points        18th - 3 points
4th - 18 points      9th - 12 points      14th - 7 points        19th - 2 points
5th - 16 points     10th - 11 points     15th - 6 points         20th - 1 point

P – 8 -  DNF/ DNS – a rider who started and completed at least one lap but did not finish the moto, will receive points for the total number of riders in the class or 20 points, whichever is greater and will receive a DNF for that moto.  A rider whom did not start at the gate for the moto will receive 30 points plus the total number of riders in the class and will receive a DNS for that moto. 

P – 9  - Freezing 
C Championship classes can be frozen with 2 races left in the series. When a C rider is planning to freeze, they must come into round 8 in 11 round series, round 9 in 11 round series or round 10 in 12 round series with 29 advancement points or less, tell the office that if they go over they would like to freeze for the last 2 events of that series.  They may collect their trophies, prizes and contingency for that race (or any race thereafter that they enter as 29 points or less) but, once they go over 30 they are not officially but technically racing the subsequent race(s) as a B rider frozen in the C class, therefore final race placement & all trophies, prizes and contingency are forfeited during a freeze. Championship points still accrue for the finishes earned during the freeze. A frozen rider will be given championship points for their placement, then moved to bottom of race results while retaining championship points awarded before the move.
 

B Championship classes can be frozen after 75% of the series is completed.  When a B rider is planning to freeze, they must come into round 7 in a 10 round series, 8 in 11 round series or round 9 in 12 round series with 49 points or less as a Youth B or 89 points or less as a B, tell the office that if they go over they would like to freeze for the last 3 events of that series.  They may collect their trophies, prizes and contingency for that race (or any race thereafter that they enter as 49 Youth B or 89 B points or less) but, once they go over 50 Youth B or 90 B they are not officially but technically racing the subsequent race(s) as an A rider frozen in the B class, therefore Race placement & all trophies, prizes and contingency are forfeited during a freeze.  Championship points still accrue for the finishes earned during the freeze.  A frozen rider will be given championship points for their placement, then moved to bottom of race results while retaining championship points awarded before the move.

 P - 10 - Drops - Every rider will receive one drop per series - the lowest score or zero (non attendance) score for each rider will be eliminated from the total series tally - Disqualification will not be used in the drop tally - Posted series results will not be final UNTIL displayed as "FINAL RESULTS WITH DROPS"

P – 11 – Ties - Series Championship point ties will be broken as follows:
Rider with most 1st's, then 2nd's if needed, 3rd's if needed - If still tie - last moto score.

P - 12 - You must complete Half of any Series and finish top 10 to be eligible to be awarded at the Championship Awards Banquet for that season.  If you have not responded to the banquet invitation and have not requested your award by the deadline posted per year, it will be assumed that you do not intend to collect your award and therefore it will not be created.  
 P – 13 – Ironman - To be awarded "Ironman" for Spring or Fall Series in your class at season's end, a rider must start and finish all of the Heats, Mains, and Motos in that Series (even during C to B or B to A advancements- please notify us to insure proper recognition) - Every event is counted, drops are not factored in to the Ironman award.
P - 14 - Trophy Rules - Top 3 awarded - top 5 50/60 (4th & 5th metals)
1-3 Racers = 1 trophy  -  1-6 Racers = 2 Trophies - 7+ Racers = 3 Trophies
Does not apply to 50cc class - top 5 awarded regardless
Participation trophies given to first time 50/60 racers

These rules and requirements are in place to help ensure orderly conduct, safety and fairness to prevail at WSP events.  Racers are in no way deemed qualified or experienced to compete upon receiving a WSP Membership card.  Winchester Speedpark does not discriminate and treats all of it’s members fairly.  The rules set forth here apply to everyone.

2010 WSP Schedule

2010 Schedule Tentative

BLUE - WSP SERIES - Winchester Speedpark
GREEN = NEMA- New England Motocross Association
RED = New England Regional Championship
Pink  = Practice Dates
Orange = Schools

A = A SCHEDULE  - B = B SCHEDULE  - C = C SCHEDULE
Honda = H     Kawasaki  = K    Yamaha =Y

MUST COMPLETE ½ of the Series to receive end of year awards – 5 Spring – 5 Fall – Top 10

HAVE FUN AND RIDE SAFE in 2010!

 Winchester Speedpark
Philosophy
 
What do racers want?
Racers want a racer friendly, clean facility and pits and most importantly, a challenging yet safe track to ride and compete on.  Conditions change due to weather and care - racers need to see effort and attention to the tracks, ensuring that the track owners and staff are doing the best that they can for them.  Racers want to know that the tracks do care about racing, the riders and the organizations that visit.

Fair competition
Racers hope that the other riders on the line with them are in the proper class, with the proper bike and riding at the proper level. They hope that the referees are treating everyone equally. They hope that the rules of the competition are obeyed and upheld and that the place that they earned is how they are scored.

Safety
Racers hope that the on track staff is alert and ready to be their eyes and ears to help guide them. They hope that if they fall they are attended to and god forbid if they are injured they have proper treatment, compassion and attention.

Be Part of Something
Racers want to be around like minded people. We all come together because of one common interest - racing - or loving someone who loves racing - Having the structure, place and people set for riders to come together and become life long, close friends makes us all a part of one big family. Think about how many friends and families you have come to know and love over the years racing! Now, think of your life without them and without racing..................

Personal Goals
Every rider at every level has a goal that they set for themselves in racing. Weather it be mastering a particular jump or corner, attending a certain # of races, building their endurance and strength, winning a moto, or placing in a series. These goals are far better for anyone than what they could be doing in this day and age - especially kids and teens, how many kids (especially teens) actually spend a whole day with their parents on the weekends? I can't say enough how much I have heard parents say that they spend so much more time with their kids than other parents they know that are not in racing.

As far as Turnout
Overall turnout is more spread out, there are far more options now then ever before in New England. Friendly competition is good; it will push us all to strive for the best. Every option is a little different, just like people, I am confident that the right person will find the right venue for them. Some are more competitive and some more laid back and it's all good.

Injuries
Well, that's a tough one. But, it is par for the course. I know all racers know this and say "I love it anyway" Anything we do can be dangerous, I guess you feel most alive when you do what you love and therefore it is worth the risk. The pins, the rods, the scars, the bumps - they're at the track, all over in fact ( Dave has all of them too) - I always joke "you're all crazy" and most of you agree! The bad ones are hard for all of us, but we come together as a family to offer love and support, it generally works out, and if not we must trust in god, he knows far better than we.

Our goals
We hope to remember all of this or get out to someone who will - this is what it is all about! I'm quite sure you can add to this some of your positive thoughts on what it all means to you. I wish every race industry company every success and I hope every racer finds what they need. It's still one of the fastest growing sports right now, we need to be focused on how to make it the best!!
                                                                       By: Suzanne Boisvert

We are excited for 2010, we are learning so much each and every year
On behalf of The Boisvert Family and WSP Staff - HAVE FUN AND RIDE SAFE!!!!!